Honour killings?
Does it bring more shame on a family if unfortunatly a marriage does not work?
Or if a bunch of people from a family murder people?
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I take it you're referring to this 70 year old grandmother and her son who have now been convicted? They wanted to avoid shame; now they're shamed to the horizon and back again. They gained nothing but the complete lifelong dishonour of being dragged through the public spotlight to expose their subhuman behaviour to the world.
I hope they rot in Hell. They are not fit to be classed as human, robbing a young woman of her life, a family of their daughter and two kids of their mother.
It really depends on someone's culture and beliefs, it can be very varied.
What would you rather be without a husband or your child.
Usually mothers will always wish to protect their child.
Would you think it Better for a bunch of people to murder your child or your husband.
In the UK it is not a crime to get divorced but it is a crime to kill. I would hope all mankind would agree that the former is the best option. Shame or no.
It depends on where you are standing when it happens!
There is no honour in killing someone.
Old sharia law permits honour killing (stoning is the usual way) but it is seriously flawed and opens the door to false accusations and the resulting murder of innocent people.
In civilized countries honour killings is no different than murder committed as the result of a desire for revenge.
In many cultures, yes.
In many cultures, no.
That's the reality of people having different values, and different standards, and different codes of conduct in different cultures.
If a marriage does not work out there is a thing called divorce and "most" civilised nations use that as a legal method of dissolving an unhappy union. Honour killings are barbaric and belong in the dark ages, and anyone committing these dreadful crimes should be hunted down and sentenced to life imprisonment. The amazing thing to me is how long its taken this government, and it still hasn't woken up fully, to how many of these crimes have happened in Great Britain.
These are traditions that have no place in Western Society, and without being racist, if they liked there traditions so much what the hell are they doing living in the West?
Murder..the taking of a life is NEVER right...and doing it under the guise of "religion" or "culture" STILL DOES NOT make it right...I don't care WHO you are, WHAT you are, YOU have NO right to play "God".just because something has "always be done" does NOT make it right...and anyone who continues this barbaric way of avenging a family's "honor" is an I-D-I-O-T...
So what...the marriage didn't work...live and let live, people, live and let live.
There are a lot of "traditions" in cultures that need to be seen for what they are...BARBARIC...
I hope the younger generation in these cultures can change things.
If a marriage does not work it is a private matter between the husband and wife.
People from other cultures have their own beliefs, which I think everyone should respect, regardless of whether you agree or not.
However, if anyone commits a crime in this country, they will be punished, regardless of their beliefs.
Honour or shame are irrelevant, all people of whatever religion should obey the Laws of the country they reside in.
In this country (the UK) it is against the law to kill any other person,
There is nothing shameful to say that two people got married and down the line, either changed too much for each other or just realized they weren't happy together (but still liked each other).
And as the sins of the father do not pass on to the son, nor do the sins of, say a brother, pass to that of his family. Otherwise, the whole Bin Laden family would be hunted down and killed..and that's a lot of Bin Ladens running away.
It really depends on the culture. Killing is almost never justified in western society. The Samurai would kill for honor. Sometimes they would be dishonored some way and fight with that person, or take the ear, I've heard many ways to do that. But also, in the culture of Japan at the time, if a person dishonored himself, he would commit seppuku (ritual suicide, hara kiri, belly slicing) to regain honor for his family. This is also where the kamakaze's came from.this thinking.
In the muslim culture that uses sharia law, honor killing was seen as justifiable. This is not so much the case for the countries today. It's still around, just less than it was I believe.
In our culture, the US, it is not justifiable to kill your sister because she had sex with her boyfriend before marriage.
Marriages fail all the time. If honour killings were permitted in the US, we'd be a nation of 100 million, instead of 300 million. Anyone that murders someone, rightly or wrongly deserves condemnation and punishment. Any religion that would condone this barbaric action, is in fact not a religion, but a criminal enterprise, and should be banned from the world.
i can no more understand honour killings,
( where's the honour of killing your own child? )
any more than i understand paedophiles!
anyway the police say honour killings have more of a connection to Terrorism, than just minor family squabbles, blown out of proportion.
URLs below are nothing nasty, just news-links.
Its no shame if a marriage doesn't work. Happens more often than you think. Especially if the couple are not married because of love (example: the parents made a deal for the young couple to get married).
And the so-called Jarimat Ash-Sharaf (the 'honour' murders) are symbol of the decay of the human mind. Especially the mind of some muslim (and not only muslim) men, who are afraid someone (woman?) might be smarter and stronger then them. Not working marriage doesn't mean that the woman is cheating, but the woman still gets it. I don't think that's fair.
Many associations have tried to prevent women from ''honour' murders (like the one of Queen Raniya from Jordan), but I don't think this works. All lays in the upbringing of the people who come form the so-called 'radical and religious' families.
Check those links out, might be interesting:
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_articl...
http://www.meforum.org/article/50...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/...
http://www.hwhouse.com/office/node/92...
I fail to see what is honourable about killing your sister / daughter
I fail to see the honour of killing your brother or sister. I think thats not honour its just being the lowest of the low.
I read about one of these "honour killings" recently - the young wife had left her husband because he was beating her.
Her ex in-laws murdered her for leaving her husband and therefore bringing "shame" on the family.
So its "OK" to beat your wife up (that doesn't bring "shame" on the family presumably) but not OK for the beaten wife to leave her abuser?
WTF?!?
murder . how can you ever justify killing someone from your own family for a failed marriage. it is totally outrageous and prehistoric. i think cavemen might have done it . but not civilised people
What do you think?? In one scenario no one dies and in another a woman (yes it's always the woman that's killed!!) is brutally hunted down and murdered, sometimes leaving behind traumatised children.
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