Abortion: Right to choose or Right to end LIFE?
I have nothing against the Right to choose. There is a choice for women and couples. The consenting adult couples have the right to choose between using contraceptives OR by not choosing contraceptives, risking pregnancy. Once you have a pregnancy (which is preventable), it is like 'opting in' to Natures' 9 month contract. Both partners, by not using contraceptives, are willfully 'opting in' to choose LIFE. Abortion breaks this contract to LIFE, and thus it is a violation of the contract.
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Here's my logic:
Either abortion takes an innocent human life or it doesn't.
If abortion doesn't take an innocent human life, then I can't imagine why anyone who believes that would oppose abortion, except maybe for some vague reasons about personal responsibility, which are really nobody's business. If it's not murder, then there's nothing ethically or legally wrong with a woman ending her pregnancy. Maybe it's pathetic or lazy or selfish, but it's not wrong, nor should it be prohibited by law. It'd be like telling a chronic smoker that he's not allowed to seek a lung cancer operation because his choice began and ended when he picked up his first cigarette and never tried to overcome his addiction. Now, if he or the woman wanting the abortion ask other people to pay for their mistakes, that's a different story.
If abortion does take an innocent human life, then I can't imagine why anyone who believes that would ever favor abortion, except maybe for the mother's life, which I still find morally problematic since it's not a simple self-defense issue.
I'm pro-life because I believe the latter, but I find personal responsibility and the 'choice being at conception' argument to be irrelevant whether you find abortion to be murder or not.
what is your question? It is not YOUR choice so dont try and push your opinions on others.
I think you are right except for that pregnancy is not always preventable.
prochoice!...depends..if its rape. i guess because iwudnt want that in my life.
If you want to choose to kill your unborn baby, so be it, BUT WHY SHOULD MY TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR IT???
It's a free country, do what you want, run around with flowers in your hair and all the twisted hippie crap, but do it with your own dime and not mine
Neither. It's about the right to privacy.
i believe in pro-life. just because the baby might not be 'all the way developed' doesnt mean it cant feel pain when it is being killed. you should see some of the pictures, its horrible. they basically burn the baby if its very young. and plus, if you dont want it, you can give it to the adoption center and then there it might have a better chance at life. also, i think that if abortion was freely allowed, then people would see this as an opportunity to have as much sex as they want and not have the consequences of having the baby.
I totally agree with you,but there will never be a coming together on this one.
It is too bad too that more people are not interested in an innocent life.
Woman should choose! If you are a woman and you arent ready for a baby, do you want to go through months of pain! And once the baby is born it doesnt have a proper life! The baby doesnt have responsible parents, there fore it grows up to be a killer! These are true strories! We have enough killers in the world! When a woman is ready she should have a baby, so that the baby grows up to be a great person, with the proper care.
p.s. we end life all the time in Iraq! And they are people too!
Wow, I hope your not a guy, I believe it is only the right of the woman to choose abortion or not.Im for abortion.
Women must go thru all the issues and all that goes with and onwards with pregnancy.Sorry Guys but as far as Im concerned Women can go to Sperm clinics now and not even worry about the man.Men do not go through what women do and much more...
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Well, no birth control is 100% eaffective, and sex is the leading cause of pregnancy. So, are you saying that abortion is OK if the people were using birth control?
I agree that abortions are not being used for the original intended purpose and it is being used as a birth control. I am Pro Choice however. I just think that the guy should have a little more say in things.
You are right, men should not be left off the hook here, however who has the ultimate decision...the women do. A guy can say he does not want a woman to have an abortion, but the female can do it anyways.
I'm pretty sure that you like me being male have little knowledge of what being pregnant is like. That leaves us only our religious point of view. Since you seem to want everyone else to believe the way you do what is the difference between you and the Taliban?
I get what you are saying, but what about the many women who are raped and conceive? Are you saying that they have opted into the "9 month contract'? Are you also saying that someone who took steps to prevent pregnancy to begin with also opted in?
Mutiple decisions factor into this. The answer for everyone is different. There is no contract to life, LIFE JUST IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE UNTIL THE END OF TIME. The decision I make may not be the decision for everyone else, but I keep the right to choose.
all i have to say is abortion is wrong. end of story.
there is no contract. its life, but if you want to take life like a lawyer then fine by me.
but yes, abortion is wrong. period.
All of these barbaric women that condone their right to murder and equate it to choice need to go to jail if you ask me. You all make me sick, really. Here's a choice: choose to not have sex, or choose contraceptives, or don't have sex when you can get pregnant? How's that for a choice? Show a little responsibility.
Every living thing wants to live, who are you to decide an unborn baby doesn't want to? Face it, if any of you had been aborted, you'd be dead now.
I'm sorry that I'm a man, and that I can't bear children, I really am. I know that's hard, but I can't really know. I can tell you both of my cousins got their girlfriends pregnant at a young age and lacked the ability to take care of them. 10 years later and both children are doing quite fine. It's not impossible.
your fictional "contract" metaphor is inadequate in many ways.
suppose i were to say that keeping people alive that would not be able to support/sustain themselves unaided in nature (i.e. victims of potentially fatal accidents or crimes, the elderly, the mentally ill and challenged) also violates the "contract" of life. the entire health care industry goes against your proposed "natural contract of life" (which is, in the end, a contract with a death sentence) just as both abortion AND contraceptives do.
but going against nature doesn't have anything at all to do with doing what is right or wrong (either morally or pragmatically)
pro-choice is to pro-death as pro-life is to anti-choice. the terms are interchangeable.
it comes down to this: if you think every life should be a wanted life and that society as a whole suffers (economically and socially) with every unwanted kid born into poverty and/or worthless parents then be pro-choice.
if you think that human life is sacred and must be protected under even the most adverse conditions and that no other considerations are more important this sanctity then be pro-life.
to me this debate has only a minimum to do with the pregnancy. it is a debate over control. who controls my body? do i control my body? does the government control my body? who can legitimately and legally tell me what to do with my body? my answser for this is the same for almost every control based question. if it does not involve you then it is none of your business.
as for the contract. im not convinced that two consenting adults having unprotected sex results in a legal contract when pregnancy occurs. there may be a moralistic contract of sorts but ultimately the contract is swayed, justly so, to the party doing the work. if the party doing the work and in legitimate control of the contract determines that it is in the parties best interest to abrigate the contract then it is that parties decision. the party not doing the work and not in moralistic control of the contract can feel bad but there really is no legal or moralistic recourse for that party other than to feel bad.
It is a choice to end a life. And if you have noticed since abortion became not illegal, still not a law passed by Congress and signed by a president, have you noticed the murder rates? They have consistently increased. Others have determined that the choice to end a life doen't necessarily have to be a life in a womb. Go figure.
By the way, excellent point about the contract with nature. I wonder though why animals don't have that same right to choose? They sign a similar contract with nature, but don't have the right to choose an abortion. Just a thought.
You are right on! It is actually amazing that there can be a debate over the morality of abortion. Since the forced legalization of abortion by the supreme court in Roe vs Wade human life has lost most of it's value. This is not only true in the US, but also in most of the western world where this decision was widely used to influence legislators to legalize abortion.
I think few "pro choice" persons actually consider that by devaluing human life, they are also devaluing themselves. Life is life. Either you are for it or against it. If you choose to kill your unborn child, do so, but know then that you should then also be prepared to give up your right to life. If you are not prepared to do so you are a hypocrite and supremely selfish. Do not hide behind politically correct euphemisms, be honest and admit you are pro-murder...
It is and always has been the woman's choice for 1 reason or another. Stopping legalized abortion is only going to send it back into the closet. Where women will find doctors in dirty motels, alleys, or where ever, to have it done. Abortion isn't a new thing that just started back in the 80's. It has been going on for centuries. My great grandmother, told me if the woman had to many kids that would abort it by either using a coat hanger, a bobby pin, or castor oil. Then in the 50 and 60's women paid to be butchered by doctors who had no clue what they were doing. Leaving the woman sterile, if not dead.
Go ahead and end abortion, you will have more deaths, from the closet, and more children found in alleys, dumpsters, trash cans, or just plain dead.
Your belief supposes that life has essential value; that essence precedes existence.
Life has not essential value in and of itself.
Conception isn't a contract, it's a biological function.
Our ability to chose whether or not to keep is the sign of rationale thought.
Just because we can breed doesn't mean we should.
OK My answer is a complete cop-out, but, I am male, and as such will never have to have a termination myself, so I feel that I am ill-equiped to be able to make a rational decision on the merits or otherwise of abortion.
Other than to say, is the fetus a cognitive self aware life form? is an embryo a cognitive, self-aware life form? At what point would this self awareness and sanctified life start? is it at conception, when the embryo is about as cognizant as an average houseplant? or after a quite a few weeks when the brain and heart starts beating? If the test was to be fully self awareness as understanding the concept of self, then that does not happen until the child has been born and is several months old.
So When?
Certainly family pets such as cats and dogs are cognitive self aware life forms and we humans do not have a problem putting them to sleep.
Recently after some young thug damaged my car, I decided that late term abortions should be allowed up to the age of 16 years.
There is a simple solution. A parental right to end a zygote the morning after with a drug called "RU486." It is tested, safe, manufactured and ready for the shelves of your local pharmacy. The only problem: The Bush(league) administration, and particularly Dr. David Hager (the ob/gyn who couldn't seem to locate his own wife's vagina), have successfully prevented its distribution. That is because this debate is about them playing God - and not playing fair. (Or even playing sane, for that matter.)
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