Has PETA ever heard of due process? Shouldn't Michael Vick be found guilty by the court before losing his job?
Honestly, PETA seems to think that they are the determiners of Michael Vick's guilt or innocence. Maybe the courts should just do away with due process and just let PETA handle all the law suits from now on. Vick is in deep trouble and yes, he's probably guilty but the NFL is doing the right thing by letting him keep his job until he is convicted by a court of law. PETA needs to go find some lab animals to liberate and let the court system and the NFL do it's own work. Any opinions?
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I think the people at PETA are just pissed.
What he did was pretty low.
The court system is obviously who will determine what happens to him, but I do think the NFL should kick him out. It will teach him a lesson. He represents the NFL whether he likes it or not. Just like other star athletes.
Example:::Kate Moss(super model) lost a ton of her modeling contracts when everyone saw the video of her doing cocaine. After she went to rehab and became pretty clean, she got a few back. Don't you think they should do the same for Michael Vick??
But thats just my opinion.
in the court or public opinion (The one that really matters)
he IS guilty.
My opinion is that you misrepresent the facts. The courts will probably find him guilty and his career will be over. PETA is just lobbying against him based on the films, not saying that he is guilty without a trial. Where do you get your facts?
then what would you say about all the other players that have been suspended or dismissed. prior to due process? look at tank johnson or pacman jones. favoritism is weak.
PETA is not a court. They have no govt authority.
So, like anyone else who jumps to conclusions based on media opinion -- they are entitled to form their own beliefs.
It's common practice in this society.
But due process rights are not implicated, because someone forming an opinion does not deprive anyone of "life, liberty or property".
I agree, let a court handle his fate, maybe he gets a second chance, like Hilary Clinton after her husband was caught with his pants down...lol
You're thinking about crimes against mere humans.
Due process refers to the legal system and that would be serving what ever sentence or punishment is deemed proper for his alleged crimes.
It is OK for the populous, the media and other private groups to ask for his resignation. It is not unusual for these people and groups to put pressure on employers (the team) or the league. These groups have other "image" based issues that transcend the legal process.
And besides, the bastard held dog fights in his backyard. Is that ghetto or what?!?!
Forget PETA. They have no real power and scare no-one. However, there isn't a level of hell deep enough for anyone who has done what he is accused of doing, so whether or not the courts or the NFL do the right thing, trust me, he'll pay...
America tries a lot of people in the media before they make it to court. That's why jurers are hard to find. PETA is a joke in my opinion. PETA is against all medical testing, even the kind done on humans that is humane. That's stupid.
Do not confuse "State" and "Private".
The state hands out punishments (such as jail), etc. The state must follow rules of evidence etc. They must indeed follow due process.
Private organizations - like his boss - are under no such restrictions. This is how Imus got fired, as an example.
Generally, you are not entitled to a job - if you are working for a private organization and they find you are no longer effective (say, because you call too much attention to yourself and make the team look bad), they can probably fire you ... EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT GUILTY.
Most contracts are "terminate at will". That is, either side can decide to call it quits for any reason - except discrimination.
Now, his contract might prevent his bosses from firing him for such ... but probably not.
Due Process is the court's concern. PETA doesn't have to give him any Due Process, since all they can do is talk about him.
If he has a contract, they can void it for whatever reason they deem fit as long as it's not specifically prohibited by the contract...I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the contracts that say that if you're accused of a crime, you get to work until you're convicted.
I doubt NFL contracts offer that sort of protection.
If they don't like the negative publicity, or they just don't think he's fit to play, they could fire him for all kinds of reasons.
Why shouldn't a group ask for punishment beyond what the courts determine? If it's legal to fire him (which I'm sure it is), then they can put whatever pressure on the NFL they want.
What do you care what they ask for? If it's important to them, be glad they're at least taking a stand about...something.
Most people just sit around and let the courts decide these things.
Didn't you know that athletes don't get due process. They are assumed guilty of everything right away even before a trial starts and after a trial they are still guilty even the court finds no wrong doing.
Examples: Duke lacross team assumed guilty, lives ruined there was never enough evdience against them. Should have never even made it to trial. THe boys lives ruined, the girl got nothing. Even though it is illegal to file a false police report.
Barry Bonds, never tested positive for steriods, never suspended for substance abuse. not guilty but constatnly under fire.
Tank Johnson was cut by the Bears and subsequently not found guilty of the allegations.
Since Michael Vick is such a role model as a pro football player, I think it is wrong for the NFL to let him keep the job even if he isn't found guilty in court. For something so extreme to just be brushed over and paid no attention to, for the NFL to not take action is the same as them saying that they don't care that he did what he did. Because so many people look up to him, it is important that the NFL shows that even though he is famous, what he did was still wrong, and he should be punished.
Let me guess whitey is keeping the man down even though I and you have seen the video of him at one of those dog fights theres no way he do this because youve met him once at a signing or something ...How am I doing ? Vick needs to become the dog food for those in my opinion. He was running the betting and I hope the racketerring charge sticks so that 15 years behind bars What do you think and Iliked watching vick on sunday he is a one of a kind qb but doesnt excuse the actions
Well, if somebody doesn't make a public scene out of it he's gonna pull an OJ Simpson and get away with murder.
When did Michael Vic go to work for PETA?
you are right. "innocent until proven guilty" however any one suspected of hurting a child or animal should be under
closest watch. If I was the employer my 1st thought would be why would any one even be accused? Do you know the statistics of accused/guilty vs the innocent in these cases?
oh screw due process. that guy is an unhuman monster for hanging, beating and killing dogs over fighting. personally I hope he dies for the horrible things he put those dogs through.
no, this monster needs to go to hell asap - forget due process - if you rely on the courts to sort this out justice will not be done - lets hope ALF get him soon - poor dogs
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