Is it time that we started to treat children from 13 years for crimes like adults?
Especially where someone is murdered?
Here: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/200708...
The number of incidents in general that children & teenagers is growing the government needs to act.
I know of several people who are being intimidated by teenagers and the police are powerless to do anything.
A friend of mine has to suffer verbal abuse and attacks to her car because the parents are under an ASBO, the parents use their 9 children to create havoc in the close she live on. The family are responsible for several muggings and I nearly became a victim myself.
Infact todate I have had 3 Mugging attempts by teenagers who operate with military like execution.
The laws need to change and because of video games, it puts ideas into their heads and teaches them tricks, we had a spate of "Splinter Cell" type attcks a few months ago.
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That's a good point. esp with the murderers and assault being committed by young kids. I bet you if they knew that that they would get lot more than a slap on the wrist.
There should be no difference in the same crime committed! You know right from wrong at age two unless you are mentally challenged period! Abolish juvenile leneincy all around!
ya probably they need to change it.
but to add on whats causing this is movies and music (music is probably the biggest one)
This is what happens when parents aren't allowed to discipline their kids. These new breed of ASBO kids have never had a clip round the ear when they've been naughty. It never did me any harm and I think it's what they need.
Yes, definitely because I am convinced that youngsters of this age do know exactly what they're doing, but continue in their bad behaviours because they know they can get away with it. Not only should children be punished appropriately to fit the crime, but parents should also take more responsibility for their actions.
Why not? California tries juveniles as adults for serious crimes.
Many kids in Mexican gangs used to murder knowing they wouldn't be punished. That changed when California voters voted for a law that requires juveniles to be tried as adults for serious crimes.
http://ag.ca.gov/cjsc/publications/misc/...
It's unfortunate that murders are getting younger and younger according to the news. I have also seen these rude children.
But these children have always been here? They were in the early wars, especially the Civil War. They took on head of household at very early ages. The world has become smaller, this is why it appears this way. They passed laws to keep children out of "sweat shops"..they are still children, unable to vote or buy liquor...they are children solely with bad learning behavior...(or sometimes mentally tapped).
I also fail to see the punishing of impressionable children with harsh treatment, only demonstrates to children things that they really don't fully understands.
Now if you had stated full treatment for bad behavior in a setting, where they won't go and learn to be worst criminals, I'm all for it.
I have also run up against ignorant parents, that don't actually understand the reasoning of controlling their spawns!
So once upon a time, me and my husband had to take things into our own hands. We alerted the family and then we punished the children with the same form of garbage they spew out.
When they were forced to deal with an adult, they quickly changed their attitude.
"It takes a village to raise a child?
But this can be risky. We were fortunate that they parents were hard working ignorant folk that didn't fight back. So we had to show them how to punish their spawns!!
It is also unfortunate that in some communities that the police will turn on you, to keep from exercising their duty, until you have to report them or you move!
murder possibly,depending on the case. if we start lumping all teen crime as adult,how far behind will classifying them as adults for other things be. kids are growing up quicker,but let's take it case by case,before we set a dangerous precedent
It is time we start treating children like children .Keeping in mind that children have no rights,no say and no voice. We all need to discipline our children not let them rule our lives and make the decisions for us.We must become the adults we are meant to be. If that means we need to be strict so be it .If that means we need to be more like our parents or grand parents so be it. Was the world different when the adults ruled it? I think so. Now the children rule it and this is a sad state of affairs.Children telling the parents what to do , when to do it ,how to do it. Sounds crazy doesn't it but that is what is happening now. Next time you see a child leading a parent around and making life difficult please think what a good spanking would do for the child, the parent and society.
Without a doubt, i think as young as 10yrs of age should be responsible for their actions, kids these days are so street wise when it comes to the law so much so that they know they will get away with their crimes, its time to toughen up the law on these out of control little s**** Society has a right to be protected and as there's been another father been murdered by teenage gangs this week, what are the chances of these kids getting locked away for a long time ?
serious crimes i think the punishment should be harder on the teenagers for murder, but petty crimes that doesn't really hurt anyone, then no i don't think they should be treated like adults, unless they keep reoffending!
Everyone knows right from wrong, everyone should be punished for the crime committed regardless of their age!
Many of the crimes are being committed by kids younger than 13, I think 11 is the right age to bring kids into the criminal process, the earlier you catch them the easier it is to turn them back to the right path, the law in Barbados allows for you to shoot someone if they are trespassing on your land, we must remember that 95% of the crimes are committed by less than 2% of the population, the police know who they are but seem helpless to stop them, I personnally could not and would not live in fear from kids or any one else, if it was necessary I would take the law into my own hands and do what ever was necessary to protect my family and property, lets make the criminals afraid for their lives for a change, I have recently had reason to call the police and report problems with a group of teenagers, I told them to go and they replied we'll go when were f---ing ready, one a girl age 14 said we'll pour petrol through your letter box and set fire to your house, the police did not turn up, I have spent 4 weeks looking out for the girl who ran off and I have made it clear to her friends when I see her I am going to hit her so hard in the face that she'll need reconstructive surgery, I know I will be arrested but I consider her comments as an act of terrorism I will have to take care of this matter because the police do nothing.
My sentiments exactly. The punishment should fit the crime regardless of age. The only deterrent they have at he moment in a year or so on a holiday camp, which for many of them is better than being at home.
I also believe that the parents of these kids should be charged because more often than not it is through their bad parenting that the kids have turned out so badly in the first place.
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Whilst i agree with you on most points what is the answer, if you lock them up as adults, they will turn into worse criminals than when they started, prison is not a deterrent for most, only a breeding ground for future hardcore criminals. I have seen first hand the problems they can cause, but it's got to start with discipline in the home, without that you have children and teens running riot and doing as they please. So many parents seem to refuse to accept responsibility for their child's actions, and perhaps if you can tackle them as well as the child you may see a lessening of crime on our streets. Children need sport, activities at school and outside, that stimulate them, get them off the streets, it's not the only answer but you have to start somewhere. And for those advocating the army that won't work, and why should the army be a dumping ground for our disaffected youth, they certainly wouldn't want them. Better policing, stop and search for all, sorry if that's very big brother but perhaps if the police were allowed to do their job, you might seem some improvement, and lets get them back on the beat, be visible, and maybe we wouldn't have so many teenagers being stabbed and shot on our streets. This government and all governments have to do more to advocate safety on our streets, just locking them up for years isn't the only answer.
Perhaps, but i think we'd better find some prison cells somewhere first, because they'd fill up pretty quick.
Children aged 10 and over are deemed to know the difference between right and wrong and therefore capable of being punished for crimes they commit. There is adequate provision in our current legal system to deal with young offenders, if Magistrates, Judges and Politicians had the courage to implement (in full) sentences imposed upon young offenders. As an example - look what happened to the two evil little s*ds who murdered Jamie Bulger.
Our criminal legal system and our education system are not tough enough on young offenders and lack authority to impose some form of discipline. In my view it was wrong of successive Governments to abolish corporal punishment at school. If that was still in force, a good proportion of offences committed by youths would not have happened.
Yes to crimes in general.Children who commit murder are usually detained 'at Her Majesty's Pleasure' and this is usually longer than the average adult serves.
Okay I'll agree but with these conditions.
It's time to give them voting rights
allow them to buy tobacco and alcohol
allow them to get a drivers license
allow them to give sexual consent
allow them to enter contract
make 13 the age of majority
it's very hypocritical
it says kids are old enough and responsible enough for punishment but too young and not responsible enough for rights and privileges.
No. Children should be treated as children and made to realise the consequences of antisocial behaviour. I would prefer to see the parents penalised for "failure to control/supervise adequately." That way, if a child reduced or destroyed an individual's quality of life, the parents would be compelled to pay for their children's misdemeanours.
You mention video games being a source of antisocial behaviour. I'm inclined to agree but it's something that's never going to be proven one way or the other, except in the experience of victims. It would not hurt, though, should a child be arrested and convicted of antisocial behaviour, to seize from the child's household all forms of luxury equipment: TV, DVD recorder, PC, surround-sound set-up, video games consoles and games disks. Confiscation to be made by the police at the time of the arrest to prevent dispersal of any goods. I think parents would think twice about letting their kids run wild if they were aware that it could cost them their expensive luxury or prized goods.
In addition adjust the parents' tax codes so that they paid more income tax until fair restitution was made to a proven victim of their child's actions. Example: to cover the cost of replacing a brick-damaged car windscreen. If the parents were not working, reduce benefit income by 25 to 50%. Couple that with ZERO entitlement to top-up benefits to replace the confiscated income.
Police to be required to monitor and "shepherd" victims of proven attacks, perhaps indirectly via Social Services, and legally bound to respond immediately to vengeance attacks by youths or their families. Any such attack to be met with further penalisation of all the parents of all the kids involved in the original crime. Bikes, caravan(ette), family car. Repeat attacks beyond this point to result in confiscation of dwelling with no entitlement to social housing. If they demonstrate that they wish to live outside society's rules, then society as a whole should need to bear no responsibility for their security or safety.
Murder or manslaughter committed by a child to result, upon conviction, in the imprisonment of one or other parent for a period of not less than five calendar years with no parole options attached. The balance of the adult sentence passed to be carried forward until the child's 18th birthday and to be imposed on the fledgling adult if he stepped out of line again at any time.
Harsh, but I think it would be hugely and very quickly effective.
absolutely not. ever.
ever seen "blood diamond", or any of several other movies that bring to light the problem of child soldiers? do you feel sorry for those kids? they are forced and brainwashed into killing and fighting. people in the western world sit back in their armchairs and say "oh thats terrible", and then watch a comedy dvd afterwards. its in africa. people dont care. but, if its right on your doorstep, its a different matter.
a 13 year old is not old enough to be tried as an adult. in ANY other circumstance, would you consider a 13 year old an adult like you? nah, didnt think so. try to be a part of a progressive society. ive been attacked by teenagers before, several times, and NEVER would i want them to be sent to an adult prison or sentenced to death.
these are children. nurture them, they have plenty of time to learn.
treat them like adults,
do you mean let them get away with it as well.
whats murder whats rape a few years unless you do something extra sick on top.
assault, damage, abuse not even treated like crime thats the problem for all ages.
that would certainly halt them from committing murders, but can you really go and execute a 13 year old?
Judicial caning should be applied, its a kind of punishment in some countries where parts of the boy's body were padded to prevent damages to the kidneys and the genital when the boy was being caned, it was done in the presence of a medical attendant, therefore one can imagine how severe it is, if the boy committed again a crime for a second time, then he should be tried like adults.
Actually in Britain the age of criminal responsibility is 10.
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I was 14 charged with a felony if I would had been charged as an adult I would of done 5 years min. as a child I got 2 years unsupervised probation and the only trouble I have been in since then is two speeding tickets let them scare them it works in most cases
I believe a lot of the problem children are so because they themselves are children of children - these children were allowed to keep their children and we need stricter laws regarding children getting pregnant as in say Sweden - when tiny they are treated as dolls and then of course get discarded because the parents are bored with being parents,leaving them to their own devices and gangs are made. I understand Scots law is different and perhaps we should look at this in the way we treat "children" . I have four children (grown) and 6 grandchildren and do not have this problem in the family - I bought 2 of mine up as a divorced single parent so know its hard but they have turned out fine.
Write to your MP...
you picture is very cute by the way
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